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	<description>This blog hopes to shed some light on issues that are discussed at the United Nations.  Now that I am in Jerusalem, it is focussing primarily -- but not exclusively -- on the Israeli-Palestinian conflictg.</description>
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		<title>By: Marian Houk</title>
		<link>http://un-truth.com/israel/no-other-country-in-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-4550</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Houk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I actually saw it earlier on Electronic Intifada, and there was also a link from Palestinian Pundit, and maybe Angry Arab as well ... 

I love the part where the Israeli officer says: &quot;You know they&#039;ve [people of Gaza] started to phone us and ask for help, and ask us what they should do, and we&#039;ve helped a lot of them. They thanked us for that and we want to help more people ... Second thing, we&#039;ve got other ways to reach you, very good ways not on this line and in the end your assistance to us will end up helping you too. Every person who doesn&#039;t have to be hurt in Gaza helps us and helps you. We benefit and you benefit. We want to destroy this Hamas leadership who are hiding, afraid for their lives. They are hiding and others are being killed because of them. What are we fighting each other for?  Over nothing!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I actually saw it earlier on Electronic Intifada, and there was also a link from Palestinian Pundit, and maybe Angry Arab as well &#8230; </p>
<p>I love the part where the Israeli officer says: &#8220;You know they&#8217;ve [people of Gaza] started to phone us and ask for help, and ask us what they should do, and we&#8217;ve helped a lot of them. They thanked us for that and we want to help more people &#8230; Second thing, we&#8217;ve got other ways to reach you, very good ways not on this line and in the end your assistance to us will end up helping you too. Every person who doesn&#8217;t have to be hurt in Gaza helps us and helps you. We benefit and you benefit. We want to destroy this Hamas leadership who are hiding, afraid for their lives. They are hiding and others are being killed because of them. What are we fighting each other for?  Over nothing!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The beaver</title>
		<link>http://un-truth.com/israel/no-other-country-in-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-4549</link>
		<dc:creator>The beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see this one from helena&#039;s site:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10114.shtml

collaborate with us ..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see this one from helena&#8217;s site:<br />
<a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10114.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10114.shtml</a></p>
<p>collaborate with us &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Houk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marian Houk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very hard here.  
And that is, I think, actually an understatement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very hard here.<br />
And that is, I think, actually an understatement.</p>
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		<title>By: The beaver</title>
		<link>http://un-truth.com/israel/no-other-country-in-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-4547</link>
		<dc:creator>The beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder where that WMD went ..............Occupiers complaining about insurgents 
Marian, the poster does not know the hassle that you have to go crossing the walls and barriers . He thinks that you are the monday morning quarter back in the comfort of the USA as some are. Some have not even set foot in israel nor the strip but ready to give a one sided opinion . Sheeesh..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder where that WMD went &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Occupiers complaining about insurgents<br />
Marian, the poster does not know the hassle that you have to go crossing the walls and barriers . He thinks that you are the monday morning quarter back in the comfort of the USA as some are. Some have not even set foot in israel nor the strip but ready to give a one sided opinion . Sheeesh&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Houk</title>
		<link>http://un-truth.com/israel/no-other-country-in-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-4546</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Houk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks -- what is really appalling now is that the IDF has done nothing to help Gazan civilians during these attacks, which have been planned for at least six months, according to authoritative reports in the Israeli media -- at least since the unwritten cease-fire (&quot;tahdiya&quot;) between Israel and Hamas went into effect in June 2008.  Israeli military commentators at the time worried that Hamas would use the cease-fire to arm itself -- but they added that Israel would be preparing for the next round, too.  Still, they did nothing to prepare to help the Palestinian civilians they knew would be the victims, unintended or not.  

The IDF only asked Gazans, via leaflets dropped from the air, for more information about possible targets -- without providing any information about how to protect themselves during the attacks.  

Here is the translation of one leaflet:
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Dear people of the Gaza Strip,
Bear the responsibility for your fate! 

The Projectile launchers and the terrorist elements pose a threat on you and your families. 

If you wish to provide help and assistance to your people in the sector, call the number below to provide us with the needed information. 

The future of the massacre is in your hands
Don’t hesitate! 

We will be glad to receive any information you have and it is not necessary to give us your personal information.

We will keep it as a secret.
Call us at the following number:
02-5839749
Or e-mail us at:
Helpgaza2008@gmail.com

To provide us with any information on the terrorist factions.

Note: To protect your safety we ask you to be secretive when you call us.

Head of the Israeli defense forces. 
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And, of course, the IDF told Gazans to leave their homes, without making any provisions for temporary shelter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8212; what is really appalling now is that the IDF has done nothing to help Gazan civilians during these attacks, which have been planned for at least six months, according to authoritative reports in the Israeli media &#8212; at least since the unwritten cease-fire (&#8220;tahdiya&#8221;) between Israel and Hamas went into effect in June 2008.  Israeli military commentators at the time worried that Hamas would use the cease-fire to arm itself &#8212; but they added that Israel would be preparing for the next round, too.  Still, they did nothing to prepare to help the Palestinian civilians they knew would be the victims, unintended or not.  </p>
<p>The IDF only asked Gazans, via leaflets dropped from the air, for more information about possible targets &#8212; without providing any information about how to protect themselves during the attacks.  </p>
<p>Here is the translation of one leaflet:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Dear people of the Gaza Strip,<br />
Bear the responsibility for your fate! </p>
<p>The Projectile launchers and the terrorist elements pose a threat on you and your families. </p>
<p>If you wish to provide help and assistance to your people in the sector, call the number below to provide us with the needed information. </p>
<p>The future of the massacre is in your hands<br />
Don’t hesitate! </p>
<p>We will be glad to receive any information you have and it is not necessary to give us your personal information.</p>
<p>We will keep it as a secret.<br />
Call us at the following number:<br />
02-5839749<br />
Or e-mail us at:<br />
<a href="mailto:Helpgaza2008@gmail.com">Helpgaza2008@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>To provide us with any information on the terrorist factions.</p>
<p>Note: To protect your safety we ask you to be secretive when you call us.</p>
<p>Head of the Israeli defense forces.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>And, of course, the IDF told Gazans to leave their homes, without making any provisions for temporary shelter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sindbad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sindbad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to correct some information regarding the use of civilians as human sheilds:

The Israeli Army  have used Palestinians as sheilds and for long hours by having them stand infront and on top of the military vehicles.

This has been documented and the Israeli army was told not to do that in the future!

I hope this was helpful....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to correct some information regarding the use of civilians as human sheilds:</p>
<p>The Israeli Army  have used Palestinians as sheilds and for long hours by having them stand infront and on top of the military vehicles.</p>
<p>This has been documented and the Israeli army was told not to do that in the future!</p>
<p>I hope this was helpful&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Houk</title>
		<link>http://un-truth.com/israel/no-other-country-in-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-4535</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Houk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody on this site has defended the Hamas firing of &quot;projectiles&quot; at Israeli land surrounding Gaza.  On the contrary, we have condemned it.
 
But, you will have to do more to win the argument about Hamas being a known terrorist organization, and  running any &quot;country&quot;.  

Then, you will have to do a lot more to convince me that the aim of Hamas is &quot;just to get the Palistinian [sic] People killed..&quot;.

And, then, please tell me how you think the IDF&#039;s &quot;Operation Cast Lead&quot; is going to solve the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody on this site has defended the Hamas firing of &#8220;projectiles&#8221; at Israeli land surrounding Gaza.  On the contrary, we have condemned it.</p>
<p>But, you will have to do more to win the argument about Hamas being a known terrorist organization, and  running any &#8220;country&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Then, you will have to do a lot more to convince me that the aim of Hamas is &#8220;just to get the Palistinian [sic] People killed..&#8221;.</p>
<p>And, then, please tell me how you think the IDF&#8217;s &#8220;Operation Cast Lead&#8221; is going to solve the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you not realize that HAMAS uses those Palistinian People as shields. They do that just to get the Palistinian People killed. It is the HAMAS Terrorist Organizations fault for getting all of those people killed and using them as shields.
I have been in Iraq as a US Army SGT. and I have seen the same thing over and over again. They also conduct mercy killings for no reason. If you would like to see what really goes on in the Middle East, join up with the US Army and you will see the same thing that I have.
As I said time and time again you cannot have a known terrorist organization operate and run your country at the same time and not pay the price, especially when they have been launching rockets, grenades, and mortars into your neighboring country for the past couple of years and not expect the nieghboring country who is Israel not to do something about it. Some of you people need to wake up and smell the freekin coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you not realize that HAMAS uses those Palistinian People as shields. They do that just to get the Palistinian People killed. It is the HAMAS Terrorist Organizations fault for getting all of those people killed and using them as shields.<br />
I have been in Iraq as a US Army SGT. and I have seen the same thing over and over again. They also conduct mercy killings for no reason. If you would like to see what really goes on in the Middle East, join up with the US Army and you will see the same thing that I have.<br />
As I said time and time again you cannot have a known terrorist organization operate and run your country at the same time and not pay the price, especially when they have been launching rockets, grenades, and mortars into your neighboring country for the past couple of years and not expect the nieghboring country who is Israel not to do something about it. Some of you people need to wake up and smell the freekin coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Houk</title>
		<link>http://un-truth.com/israel/no-other-country-in-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-4531</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Houk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jake -- No, I did not forget to mention the threat to Israeli communities now within a 40-km range of northern Gaza 
(now about 700,000 people).  The Israeli position and experience has been reported worldwide.  Now,  the big media stars who cannot get into Gaza stand at locations in around Gaza and they re-explain it.  How can you seriously say that it is not?  You can look back through the archives here, and see it explained fully, very fully, here.  I use the word &quot;projectiles&quot; to encompass not only the rockets (&quot;Qassams&quot;), but also the longer-range missiles (&quot;Grad&quot; or  &quot;Katuysha), as well as the mortars that have been lobbed indiscriminately at Israel from Gaza.  I am not going to get into the &quot;disproportionate&quot; argument, though it does resonate with most people who have a sense of fairness and justice, even if they don&#039;t love international law.  No reason to worry, the Israeli perspective is exposed, fully exposed ... The question for Israel should not be reduced to an issue of mere &quot;retaliation&quot;, or revenge -- the question should be to find the most effective way to address problems such as this, and to find a long-term solution.

UPDATE: Now, on the Israeli &quot;projectiles&quot; fired, in two separate &quot;incidents&quot;, at -- or pehaps just around -- the two UNRWA schools where Gazans have sought refuge from the Israeli attacks after being warned by Israeli air-dropped leaflets to flee their homes, the Associated Press is reporting on Wednesday that: &quot;Some 15,000 Palestinians have packed the UN&#039;s 23 Gaza schools because their homes were destroyed or to flee the violence. The UN provided the Israeli military with GPS coordinates for all of them.  The three mortar shells that crashed down on the perimeter of the UN school [n.b. - I do note here that the AP says the shells hit &quot;on the perimeter of the UN school&quot; and not &quot;in the courtyard&quot;, as reported earlier and elsewhere...] struck at midafternoon, when many people in the densely populated camp were outside getting some fresh air, thinking an area around a school was safe.  Images recorded by a cameraman from AP Television News showed crowds fleeing the scene, pavements smeared with blood and battered bodies being carried off by medics and bystanders. A youth who limped away was helped along by several others. Sandals lay scattered on the pavement by a pock-marked wall.  &#039;There&#039;s nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized&#039;, said John Ging, head of Gaza operations for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency [UNRWA].  An Israeli military statement said it received intelligence that the dead at the girls school included Hamas operatives, among them members of a rocket-launching squad. It identified two of them as Imad Abu Askar and Hassan Abu Askar.  Two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone said the two brothers were known to be low-level Hamas militants. They said a group of militants — one of them said four — were firing mortar shells from near the school.  An Israeli shell targeted the men, but missed and they fled, the witnesses said. Then another three shells landed nearby, exploding among civilians, they said, refusing to allow their names to be published because they feared for their safety&quot;.   
See http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians.

But, I should also like to note that there is no &quot;proof&quot; offered of the claims reported here ... The reporting simply said that there had been Palestinian firing from near the school, and this appears to be corroborated by &quot;two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone&quot; ... The IDF claims about intelligence that two members of a rocket-launching squad were killed in the IDF shelling are merely asserted, and not proven.  Nor do such IDF claims that &quot;two members of a rocket launching squad&quot; were indeed at the site, and were indeed killed in the IDF retaliation, mean that these two persons in question were indeed launching rockets at their time -- nor does it constitute proof that they had ever in fact launched rockets.  The AP report simply said &quot;two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone&quot; said that there had been Palestinian firing from near the school ...  It is something, but it is not enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jake &#8212; No, I did not forget to mention the threat to Israeli communities now within a 40-km range of northern Gaza<br />
(now about 700,000 people).  The Israeli position and experience has been reported worldwide.  Now,  the big media stars who cannot get into Gaza stand at locations in around Gaza and they re-explain it.  How can you seriously say that it is not?  You can look back through the archives here, and see it explained fully, very fully, here.  I use the word &#8220;projectiles&#8221; to encompass not only the rockets (&#8220;Qassams&#8221;), but also the longer-range missiles (&#8220;Grad&#8221; or  &#8220;Katuysha), as well as the mortars that have been lobbed indiscriminately at Israel from Gaza.  I am not going to get into the &#8220;disproportionate&#8221; argument, though it does resonate with most people who have a sense of fairness and justice, even if they don&#8217;t love international law.  No reason to worry, the Israeli perspective is exposed, fully exposed &#8230; The question for Israel should not be reduced to an issue of mere &#8220;retaliation&#8221;, or revenge &#8212; the question should be to find the most effective way to address problems such as this, and to find a long-term solution.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Now, on the Israeli &#8220;projectiles&#8221; fired, in two separate &#8220;incidents&#8221;, at &#8212; or pehaps just around &#8212; the two UNRWA schools where Gazans have sought refuge from the Israeli attacks after being warned by Israeli air-dropped leaflets to flee their homes, the Associated Press is reporting on Wednesday that: &#8220;Some 15,000 Palestinians have packed the UN&#8217;s 23 Gaza schools because their homes were destroyed or to flee the violence. The UN provided the Israeli military with GPS coordinates for all of them.  The three mortar shells that crashed down on the perimeter of the UN school [n.b. - I do note here that the AP says the shells hit "on the perimeter of the UN school" and not "in the courtyard", as reported earlier and elsewhere...] struck at midafternoon, when many people in the densely populated camp were outside getting some fresh air, thinking an area around a school was safe.  Images recorded by a cameraman from AP Television News showed crowds fleeing the scene, pavements smeared with blood and battered bodies being carried off by medics and bystanders. A youth who limped away was helped along by several others. Sandals lay scattered on the pavement by a pock-marked wall.  &#8216;There&#8217;s nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized&#8217;, said John Ging, head of Gaza operations for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency [UNRWA].  An Israeli military statement said it received intelligence that the dead at the girls school included Hamas operatives, among them members of a rocket-launching squad. It identified two of them as Imad Abu Askar and Hassan Abu Askar.  Two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone said the two brothers were known to be low-level Hamas militants. They said a group of militants — one of them said four — were firing mortar shells from near the school.  An Israeli shell targeted the men, but missed and they fled, the witnesses said. Then another three shells landed nearby, exploding among civilians, they said, refusing to allow their names to be published because they feared for their safety&#8221;.<br />
See <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians</a>.</p>
<p>But, I should also like to note that there is no &#8220;proof&#8221; offered of the claims reported here &#8230; The reporting simply said that there had been Palestinian firing from near the school, and this appears to be corroborated by &#8220;two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone&#8221; &#8230; The IDF claims about intelligence that two members of a rocket-launching squad were killed in the IDF shelling are merely asserted, and not proven.  Nor do such IDF claims that &#8220;two members of a rocket launching squad&#8221; were indeed at the site, and were indeed killed in the IDF retaliation, mean that these two persons in question were indeed launching rockets at their time &#8212; nor does it constitute proof that they had ever in fact launched rockets.  The AP report simply said &#8220;two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone&#8221; said that there had been Palestinian firing from near the school &#8230;  It is something, but it is not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: jake borden</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake borden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately, there is one aspect about Israel that is seen only in Israel, which you forgot to mention.  That in the past 8 years there have been 6,000 rockets launched.  You call them &quot;projectiles&quot;.  No other country in the world, and I say this with certainty, would sit and let 1/7 of their civilians sit under constant threat of rocket fire, and barely retaliate.  Yes Israel did strike back a small amount, but this is negligible when compared to the response from, say, the U.S. if Mexican guirrellas started firing rockets into Texas.  There would be no more Mexico.  
  Id just like you to include a small piece from the Israeli perspective, perhaps explaining the fear you would feel if you had a siren go off while you were at work telling you you had 30 seconds to get into a bomb shelter. Every day, for almost a million people.  That side of the story seems to never be fully explained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately, there is one aspect about Israel that is seen only in Israel, which you forgot to mention.  That in the past 8 years there have been 6,000 rockets launched.  You call them &#8220;projectiles&#8221;.  No other country in the world, and I say this with certainty, would sit and let 1/7 of their civilians sit under constant threat of rocket fire, and barely retaliate.  Yes Israel did strike back a small amount, but this is negligible when compared to the response from, say, the U.S. if Mexican guirrellas started firing rockets into Texas.  There would be no more Mexico.<br />
  Id just like you to include a small piece from the Israeli perspective, perhaps explaining the fear you would feel if you had a siren go off while you were at work telling you you had 30 seconds to get into a bomb shelter. Every day, for almost a million people.  That side of the story seems to never be fully explained.</p>
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