Diana Butto asks: how can Sa'eb Erekat retain the title of "Chief Palestinian Negotiator"

In an internet interview, from an unclear and unspecified location, with the new “TV” unit of the Institute of Palestine Studies, Diana Butto — a Canadian-born Israeli-Arab-Palestinian former spokesperson for the PLO’s Negotiations Support Unit, who later also worked, for a period, for Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad —

“We already knew about Israel’s intransigence, but what’s more interesting for me is the level of desperation, and the ways in which they tried to get the Israeli negotiators to actually like and support them, in order to get a better position”… We never really saw the dialog between the Israeli negotiators and Palestinian negotiators, but what we heard from the Palestinian negotiators all the time was just a clinging to slogans”.

Here is the full interview:

Diana Butto also says, in this interview:
“It reveals that Israel was simply not interested in having negotiations in the first place…

“You see the U.S. role in this — and both of these two actors point out what should be, what is patently obvious … You can’t have a weak party negotiating with a much stronger party…it’s never going to work. If there’s one thing we should be learning about this is that’s we should be moving away from this model of negotiations to something that is very different [she does not give any suggestions].

“We have no transparency in the West Bank. We can’t see how much money, for example, a very small thing, what percentage of the budget is spent on the security apparatus? How much money does the President’s Office have? How much money do they spend when they go out on these trips to the U.S. and the rest of the world? … At the end of the day, this is information that the PA and the PLO have never revealed in open sources to the Palestinian people, which is why people are upset about it, and which is why they []are backpedalling”…

On Palestinian reactions: “I guess I had expected that people were going to be more upset about the papers than anything else … But this is already is a government, a leadership that is entirely unrepresentative of Palestinians, in that they haven’t been elected, certainly the PLO officials have not been elected … I’m not entirely certain how Sa’eb Erekat was appointed ‘Chief Palestinian Negotiator’, and why he gets to retain that title, even after several of the blunders that he’s made in the past. So this is a leadership that’s not very representative, and yet there hasn’t been a massive revolt against this leadership”…

“The two more muted reactions are far more interesting — the first is to blame Qatar … and then the other reaction is one … that I hope will take shape more in the future: that somebody needs to be held accountable for all of these things, whether on the basic level, why are these documents so unsecure? That’s something that somebody needs to be held accountable for, namely Sa’eb Erekat; and for the fact of what’s contained in these documents, somebody should be held to account; the fact that these positions were taken, somebody should be held to account”.

Quote of the day – (7th in our series)

Today’s Quote of the day – the 7th in our series –
Ami Kaufman, Israeli journalist and blogger (Half and Half, here), wrote last week that “Israel is still a state where millions of people live without equal rights. Sometimes that’s also hard for me to grasp: I actually live in a country where millions of people have not had equal rights for over 40 years. Millions of people are second class, without citizenship” … This remark is in a post published here.

This statement is made as part of an argument about the necessity of pursuing a two-state solution (and its converse, of taking the one-state “option” off the table, which is in fact the title of Kaufman’s article).

Kaufman writes: “Two main solutions have been discussed over the years to change this status quo [i.e., the occupation]: The two-state solution and the one-state solution, with the former apparently turning into an impossible mission. Since the Olso accords were signed the settler population has tripled, and the chances for a viable Palestinian state are getting slimmer by the minute. The latter option has been sitting on the back burner for a long time until just recently, when it began to get more and more media attention in Israel. Unfortunately, this talk – now labeled almost in every op-ed or essay as ‘thinking out of the box’ or ‘constructive debate’ – is doing nothing but harm to the national aspirations of Palestinians and will further delay the implementation of an agreement between the sides”.

Kaufman writes that “one of the reasons the left has long promoted the two-state solution is its yearning for that ‘golden era’ before 1967” He is speaking, of course, about the Israeli left. Summarizing the views of others, Kaufman writes: “the Israeli left is ‘bogged down in nostalgia for a mythically pure pre-1967 Israel’.”

But now, he notes, the Israeli right-wing is suddenly on board, with a new-found fondness for a one-state solution as well — though, Kaufman states, “a slight problem might arise from the right wingers’ plan to exclude Gaza from the equation. Gazans simply don’t exist for them”.

Then, Kaufman cites former Mossad chief Yossi Alpher (a regular analyst in, and listed as co-editor of, Ghassan Khatib’s weekly Bitterlemons thematic mini-publication) as saying that the new proponents of a one-state solution on the right “assert in a roundabout way that Palestinians, if just given a chance, would like nothing more than to be productive citizens of Israel as currently constituted–a Jewish and democratic state. Rivlin allows that this may take a generation or that perhaps the West Bank Palestinians will suffice with a condominium setup inside Israel; Arens wants first to ‘tame’ Israel’s own Palestinian Arab population of 1.2 million and make them good citizens in order to ‘prove’ the same can be done with the West Bankers. Likud Member of Knesset Tzipi Hotobely also wants to wait a generation and anchor the country’s Jewish status constitutionally so that Arabs can’t challenge it. But to be on the safe side, she refuses to recognize Palestinian national rights–only individual rights. All, in short, fall back on patronizing, colonialist thinking that characterized Moshe Dayan’s and Menachem Begin’s ill-fated experiments in autonomy several decades ago. All these ‘solutions’ smell of condescension, ignorance about Palestinian national aspirations and a refusal to recognize that demography would sooner or later bring about the Palestinization of Israel. Nor, under present circumstances, would even the most egalitarian offer of Israeli citizenship to West Bank Palestinians”… This was published in an Alpher essay entitled “Panic”, and published on Bitterlemons on 30 August here.

The original essay on Bitterlemons, Alpher precedes these words by noting that “Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin and former minister of defense and foreign affairs Moshe Arens both suggest that Israel can somehow swallow up the West Bank and award citizenship rights to the Palestinian population there and in East Jerusalem, yet remain a Jewish state. This does not sell easily to skeptical Israelis”. As he wraps up his essay, Alpher writes: “There is only one persuasive explanation for the timing of these bizarre proposals. As they confront the cumulative weight of both Israeli and international opinion regarding a two-state solution, Israeli right-wing circles are also beginning to confront the inevitability of ‘losing’ the West Bank, and consequently to panic. Hence some are dressing up old and discredited autonomy schemes as one-state ideas. In stark contrast, a few prominent West Bank settlers are beginning seriously to contemplate the possibility of remaining in a Palestinian state”.

What bothers me about this discussion is that some on the Palestinian side, where a certain, mainly Ramallah-based, elite — and some in the Palestinian diaspora — actually think they have a choice.

However, unlike the Israelis who are toying with this idea, the Palestinians who espouse a one-state fantasy are not thinking about the golden pre-’67 era, when many Palestinians were still cut off from each other by regimes which often viewed normal contacts between separated families as potentially treasonous, the Palestinians are dreaming of the golden years between the early 1970s and the first Palestinian Intifada in the late 1980s, when Palestinians in the West Bank, East, Jerusalem, Gaza and within Israel itself were suddenly reunited and — for this brief golden age — allowed to move freely everywhere within the boundaries of the former Palestine Mandate.

They were still cut off from Palestinians in the diaspora abroad, however, but that is of minor consideration by comparison with the wonderful freedom of movement they briefly had in Palestine…

Writing in the same issue of Bitterlemons as Alpher, Diana Butto (her contribution is entitled “A State of Equality) noted that “For settlers and other right-wing Israelis espousing the ‘one-state’ concept, the issue is about how to expand Israel. Period. Among settlers, the ideology of superiority still pervades. Palestinians will not automatically be granted rights but afforded rights on the basis of their behavior toward a racist state that has dispossessed and occupied them. What settlers are not talking about is the very essence of a single state: equality”.

She continues: “A Ramallah-based ‘one-state’ movement is also now popping up that seems to be capitalizing on the eventual failure of the two-state solution. Under the banner, ‘two states are impossible’, this group espouses the one-state solution, but only because its preferred outcome, a two-state solution, is no longer ‘practical’ owing to the presence of over 500,000 settlers. Support for the ‘one-state’ concept must not simply be a default outcome resulting from failure of the two-state approach, but rather an outcome that strives for equality. Equality, while not a foolproof guarantee of bliss, is certainly a good start. Advocates are cognizant that it may involve an uneasy Israeli integration into Palestinian lives and Palestinian integration into Israeli lives–from education to culture to lifestyle–and that equality will not necessarily recreate pre-1948 Palestine. But it does require abolishing the laws, system and bureaucracy that make up the discriminatory apartheid regime that Palestinians live under today and from which Israelis benefit … The only honest way forward is to work toward true equality for all”. On the Bitterlemons site, Diana Buttu is described as “a human rights lawyer and a former legal advisor to the Palestinian negotiating team”. Her article can be read in full here.

What bothers me about this discussion is that some on the Palestinian side, where a certain, mainly Ramallah-based, elite — and some in the Palestinian diaspora — actually think they have a choice.

However, unlike the Israelis who are toying with this idea, the Palestinians who espouse a one-state fantasy are not thinking about the golden pre-’67 era, when many Palestinians were still cut off from each other by regimes which often viewed normal contacts between separated families as potentially treasonous, the Palestinians are dreaming of the golden years between the early 1970s and the first Palestinian Intifada in the late 1980s, when Palestinians in the West Bank, East, Jerusalem, Gaza and within Israel itself were suddenly reunited and — for this brief golden age — allowed to move freely everywhere within the boundaries of the former Palestine Mandate.

They were still cut off from Palestinians in the diaspora abroad, however, but that is of minor consideration by comparison with the wonderful freedom of movement they briefly had in Palestine…

Some interesting takes on the talks

Here’s a selective post-talks round-up:

Israeli journalist and blogger Noam Sheizaf wrote that “the US papers seem to give the talks a greater importance than the Israeli media [that changed on Friday, he noted further down in his post]. Bizarre, to say the least …  It’s easy to tell when things get serious. The settlers make a good litmus test for the intentions of the Israeli leadership. They have good ties with the Israeli administration and army. When the settlers sense danger, they let it show. And while they went after Sharon and Rabin with everything they got, they are awfully quiet now. There wasn’t even a single major protest against Netanyahu, The National Religious Party is still in the government, and the right flank of the Likud has never been more silent. The Israeli tabloids – like all tabloids – reflect their society’s mood: This is clearly not a country on the verge of its most important decision in decades … [T]he diplomatic process is not a sports competition, and pep talks can’t help when the gap between the parties is too big. The Palestinian leadership has lost most of its credibility and legitimacy with its own people, and the bleeding gets worse with every picture of Abu Mazen shaking hands with Netanyahu. Hamas has just given us the first taste of what leaving it out of the process means. Even so, the positions of PM Fayad and President Abbas are incredibly far from those of Barak and Netanyahu. The Israeli leadership – and to be honest, the Israeli public as well – cannot give the Palestinians the minimum they can settle with. Under these circumstances, even if an agreement is reached, it won’t mean a thing. As I’ve written before, the current stage in the conflict is not just about peace. It’s about ending the occupation and getting the Palestinians their rights. Some people in the American administration understood that, but for their own reasons, they decided to pursue the failed policies of the past two decades”.  This analysis is posted here.

The BBC published, after the talks, an almost hilarious “behind-the-scenes” account from two of their journalists embedded with the delegations — “The BBC’s Gidi Kleiman was with the Israelis, while Jeannie Assad was with the Palestinians:

“MOOD BEFORE THE JOURNEY [on board the private chartered plane carrying the Palestinian delegation]
Palestinian:
“They had wanted to go to the talks with a guarantee that Israel would not renew its settlement activity in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Come to Washington and then we will take it from there, the Americans had apparently told President Abbas. The president agreed to an interview, coming over with Turkish coffee in hand. He told us he was oing to the talks in good faith and because he believed in peace through negotiations. But at the same time he told me it would be difficult for him to continue the talks if the settlements continued. He would pull out, he said, if Israel did not extend the moratorium.

“EXPECTATIONS AHEAD OF TALKS
Palestinians:
“It was to be the first time he had spoken to an Israeli leader in 18 months [n.b., it was actually 20 months — since the end of December 2008]. His people back home were not happy about it. The settlement issue was a tough one. He was to tell the Israelis and the Americans that continuing settlements was a ‘deal-breaker’, one of his aides told me … there were more changes to the speech. By the time Mr Abbas read it out in the White House, it had been changed 39 times.

“AFTERMATH OF THE TALKS
Palestinian:
“After the one-on-one with Prime Minister Netanyahu, Mr Abbas said the meeting was positive. He told his aides he had told him about all his concerns and explained to him everything that was discussed with the previous Israeli government.
Not only had Mr Netanyahu listened carefully, but he took down notes, Mr Abbas added. The Palestinian president said he had told the Israeli prime minister that the settlements must stop …
Israelis:
“Has Prime Minister Netanyahu undergone a fundamental change or was it just change of tactics? Were these talks for real or just a way to avoid pressure from the US and the international community to move forward in the peace negotiations with the Palestinians? Did he change? His speeches, his statements, gestures, all suggested a change of heart. In a speech at the White House, he said that he came to find a historic compromise that will enable both peoples to live in peace, echoing the words of such peace-makers as Israel’s slain Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. He said to the Americans, to the Palestinians, to the travelling press:  ‘I am serious about peace, try me’.”  This “behind-the-scenes” report is published here.  [A rather different take on Netanyahu’s position is noted in a blog on our sister site, here….]

Haaretz then reported another comic post-talk report, that picked up an article in the London-based Arabic-language newspaper Al-Hayat which stated that the “Palestinian attitude in peace talks shifting by 180 degrees”.   Really?

Continue reading Some interesting takes on the talks